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bardofely
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The ones in the photo are in Bananera el Guanche in Puerto.
They make an easy plant to grow in a pot and here you can transfer them to the garden(if you have one) when they get too big! Just plant the stone and in a while it should shoot!
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Just wanted to let you know Bard, whilst you have not received replies to your photos they are appreciated. From me anyhow.
You must have a real interest, and that is a daft comment of course you have.
In fact whenever I see something I do not recoginse I will post it and you can let me know.
Actually, I do have a question that has puzzled me. Where I live in Callao if you take the short cut and drive up from Playa Pariso there are lots of Banana trees with bananas on, is it ok to take them? They are on the road side and not in any plantation. I just had it in my mind it would be wrong, who owns them?
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Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:41 pm
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bardofely
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Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:53 pm
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Agree with Karl Bard always appreciate your photos and info, and also read and enjoy (as I have said before) your articles in the papers.
Another little question? At the moment we are seeing a lot of little egrets here in Palm Mar are they vagrants passing through? Used to see Cattle Egrets in Devon some were vagrants and some residents. Also seeing Whimbrels (think I have spelt that wrong) on the beach too. Sadly also the other day saw a massive Stingray dead on the beach with its tail cut off Hope we are not getting here what is going on in Australia.  |
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Yes Bard, I agree. The Avocados look really nice. The idea of growing 'own fruit' is quite appealing...  |
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Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:51 am
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bardofely
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| sunny wrote: | Agree with Karl Bard always appreciate your photos and info, and also read and enjoy (as I have said before) your articles in the papers.
Another little question? At the moment we are seeing a lot of little egrets here in Palm Mar are they vagrants passing through? Used to see Cattle Egrets in Devon some were vagrants and some residents. Also seeing Whimbrels (think I have spelt that wrong) on the beach too. Sadly also the other day saw a massive Stingray dead on the beach with its tail cut off Hope we are not getting here what is going on in Australia. |
Yes, egrets and whimbrel are both migratory birds!
How sick people are killing stingrays like this - the very opposite of what Steve would have wanted!
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So... did I read right there... you can grow them in a pot? Do they not get too big, or can they be contained in a pot for life? It might be nice to plant a couple on my terrace, as I love avacados! Unfortunately I don't have a garden, so only 'terrace dwellers' are good for my circumstances.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:12 am
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bardofely
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| kirstyjay wrote: | | So... did I read right there... you can grow them in a pot? Do they not get too big, or can they be contained in a pot for life? It might be nice to plant a couple on my terrace, as I love avacados! Unfortunately I don't have a garden, so only 'terrace dwellers' are good for my circumstances. |
In the Uk some people grow them as a novelty and I have put them out in the garden in summer and brought them in in winter. Here there is no need to do that and the tree will grow huge if left in the ground but confined to a pot it cannot. Plants grow to the limit allowed for the soil space they have and you often see miniature wild plants and trees growing in very bad conditions in cracks or exceedingly dry places. With pot plants if you give them a bigger pot they keep growing and will do until they reach natural size if you keep giving them enough root space. There is a wild Dragon tree growing in a cliff near here and it is small and probably a lot older than it looks because it has hardly any soil and is growing in the rock. If it got much bigger it would break the cliff and could fall so that would be pointless!
Trees and most plants look for where they can send roots to absorb more food and grow the main part above ground. If they cannot find space or create it they are forced to do the best they can with waht they have.
Fish are like this too and grow to the maximum allowed for a given tank size and this is why goldfish are usually much smaller in tanks than those in ponds. The stunted fish usually can never reach full size even if given a larger environment. Some species like plecostomus sucker catfish grow to several feet in the wild but you usually see them at a maximum of 1 ft in a tropical fish tank.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:33 am
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My god, Bard! You're a plethora of knowledge 
Thanks for that... it was interesting reading. Would it still produce fruit if it's in a pot then?.... or does it need to grow bigger to do that?
What size pot do you reckon would surfice? I quite fancy avacados on my roof... mind you, I'll have to wait until it finally gets sealed and tiled... grrrrr.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:43 am
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bardofely
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| kirstyjay wrote: | My god, Bard! You're a plethora of knowledge
Thanks for that... it was interesting reading. Would it still produce fruit if it's in a pot then?.... or does it need to grow bigger to do that?
What size pot do you reckon would surfice? I quite fancy avacados on my roof... mind you, I'll have to wait until it finally gets sealed and tiled... grrrrr. |
The only way it's going to produce fruit is if it gets to at least small tree size and they don't make pots big enough! Even if you could get it to flower it would be unlikely to fruit because it then needs even more nutrients to feed the growth of the avocado. The plant's purpose is to reproduce itself so its ideal is for the best growing conditions to ensure best flowering, pollination, fruit production and then dispersal of seeds. Give it a bad environment and it tries its best. The same program is wired into all living things - be fruitful and multiply! And if circumstances are against you doing this well do what you can anyway! Males of many species will seek out substitutes for their females if they cannot find the right ones. Some animals such as dogs will attempt to mate with inanimate objects even! lol Some plants and fish can even change sex to gain advantage to carry out this commandment.
Most trees like plenty of rootspace, fertile soil, sufficient water and light. Subjected to crowding they fight to push aside smaller rivals and thus to take more space for growth.
Actually I have thought a lot about palms and dragon trees since I have been here (both of which types of tree would in a natural environment have their trunks covered in dead leaves. Humans unnaturally remove these often when still green so the tree has no option but to create more in the crown or it will die because it needs the leaves to photosynthesise and does not create side shoots with more on them. I think this is to a large extent is why they get so tall. I have noticed that the Canarian date palm if left untended tends to produce a huge rosette of leaves but doesn't appear to grow upwards much...you can sometimes see these on uncultivated ground. I have seen countless examples of green foliage and stems cut off on these trees and don't know where some totally wild specimens that have never been artificially pruned grow (or even if they exist anymore)! Our idea of what a palm looks like is not natural - they are all artificially manipulated!
If I had a lot of money and could buy the land I would like to see a palm and Dragon tree forest totally left to grow as nature intended!
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:24 pm
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| bardofely wrote: | | If I had a lot of money and could buy the land I would like to see a palm and Dragon tree forest totally left to grow as nature intended! |
So... no avacados for me then Thanks anyway!
If I had a lot of money, I'd like to buy all the world's oil fields and tell America and the western world to eff-off and go and find some renewable enegy sources to fuel their increasing demands rather than raping the earth... buy hey! 
Speaking of which, if you remember a while back I was asking about solar power for my home and where to get it... well it looks like someone's put a shop on my Canarian Exchange site selling them... ummm.... HERE if anyone else is interested.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:14 pm
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| kirstyjay wrote: | | bardofely wrote: | | If I had a lot of money and could buy the land I would like to see a palm and Dragon tree forest totally left to grow as nature intended! |
So... no avacados for me then Thanks anyway!
If I had a lot of money, I'd like to buy all the world's oil fields and tell America and the western world to eff-off and go and find some renewable enegy sources to fuel their increasing demands rather than raping the earth... buy hey!
Speaking of which, if you remember a while back I was asking about solar power for my home and where to get it... well it looks like someone's put a shop on my Canarian Exchange site selling them... ummm.... HERE if anyone else is interested. |
They have free energy technology from Tesla who planned to fuel the whole world this way, and other inventors but they want to keep the oil business going because it makes money and fuels war, which is needed to advance the NWO agenda.
I read a story recently of a quantity of electric-powered cars that ran well and caused no pollution and all were scrapped and melted down. They were made by a well known car company but in competition with petrol-driven ones!
How about pineapples? They will grow and fruit in a large pot!
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:40 pm
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Pineapples? Really! I'll look into that!
One thing that I've always wondered about electric cars though, is it's all well and good having the zero emissions, etc, etc.... however where does the electricity come from in the first place? There isn't enough 'renewable' sources yet, so I'm assuming they still have to burn stuff to make it, that causes polution and again, rapes the earth of natural resources...
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:39 pm
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Alll this talk of Pineapples and Lemons makes my little bit of gardening look silly. Am growing Basil in a pot on the balcony  Only planted the seeds 4 days ago and already they are shooting through, am well chuffed |
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:48 pm
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| kirstyjay wrote: | Pineapples? Really! I'll look into that!
One thing that I've always wondered about electric cars though, is it's all well and good having the zero emissions, etc, etc.... however where does the electricity come from in the first place? There isn't enough 'renewable' sources yet, so I'm assuming they still have to burn stuff to make it, that causes polution and again, rapes the earth of natural resources... |
Here's a site about Free Energy
http://www.netmar.com/~maat/archive/feb2/lindemnn.htm
and here's a homegrown pineapple flower
and fruit
I grew 2 in my house in Cardiff and got on HTV Wales Xmas news on 2003 with the story.
I am growing another now and think it should flower around Xmas here too. It's big enough!
They are easy. All you do is plant the spiky green top part of a pineapple and roots grow from the base.
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