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[Dianne]

Hi All,

I hope someone out there can assist, I am planning to move out to Tenerife with my 2 kids, I am now divorced, but prior to my divorce I had a minute of agreement drawn up, my ex pays me maintenence for the kids, but in my minute of agreement it says I cannot take the kids out of the country ( Scotland ) unless for holidays, thing is my ex is ok just now about me taking kids to live in Tenerife, to keep me right I have been in touch with my lawyer to ask if I had a letter drawn up to say we both agree to the kids living abroad, she has advised me to check with immigration to see what they will accept. Can anyone shed any light ??
I wasn't aware that there would be a problem with this in tenerife and was merley asking the question of my layer to keep me right.

Can anyone also answer if Tenerife has a child benefit system like we have at home ?? I know that the uk will continue to pay me from there system for so long but I als know there are different rules for EEC and non EEC countries and am not sure what happens. I have emialed the Uk HM inspector of taxes.gov but still await a reply.

[karlb]

Hi Dianne, I am no expert so dont take this as fact. I am sure someone else will also post.

Not sure what your moving has to do with Immigration you need a spanish lawyer for this I am sure. All you need for Immigration are your passports.

As far as I am aware you cannot claim benefits for your children if you have declared you are living in Tenerife. This may help http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/leaflets/wtc2.htm#a1

I stand to be corrected though, anyone else please..................
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[loopyleanne_]

this link is all about people leaving the uk dont think its much help really, but have a read anyway
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/residence-rules.htm#7
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[Dianne]

Thanks karlb,

Think my lawyer in uK may hae got the wrong end of the stick, I thought all I had to do was come over get an NIE number hopefully find a job and get the kids into school. I only involved my lawyer to keep me right incase in the future my ex turns nasty about the kids being here although he is fine with it just now.

So am i right in saying people living in tenerife do not get Falmily allowance or child benefit the way we do in the uk regardless of incom or earnings ??

[loopyleanne_]

i would of thought that you would have to be registered and paying into the system for a while before you recieve anything like that?
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[rob]

I think you need to get your lawyer to very carefully check the Hague convention on one partner taking the kids permanently abroad. I know of two cases that have turned very bad recently.

If you haven't paid into the Spanish social security system then you're not going to be able to come here and ask for money to help your family from the Spanish system.
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[sunny]

Dianne I think you need to do a hell of a lot more homework on coming to live and work here before up-rooting your children. There is so much preparation etc to do.

Without sounding negative I am surprised you think that the Spanish system should support your family when you have not paid anything into it.

[loopyleanne_]

your going to need to learn spanish as well for the sort of jobs your looking for, plus you will need it for all your paperwork and even buying simple things as there not going to translate everything into english for you. if you want all the forms etc in english stay in england
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[karlb]

It all sounds very daunting Dianne many have tried and failed, many have tried and made a good life for themselves.

Stay with the forum and do your homework, your life, and move, will be so much easier.

When I made the move over a year ago, without the help of this forum and its members my life would have been very difficult indeed.

There is light at the end of the tunnel, you just have to want it and work towards it one step at a time.

And NEVER be dis-heartened, just move on, little by little.
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[Dianne]

Thanks everyone for there replies but I am not looking to get anything from the spanish system as suggested, I am just trying to find out some information, I am well prepared to come over and work hard to earn to provide for me and my kids. I have not just gone on holiday and decided to move over, as I said before I have visited on about 8 occasions over the past 5 years at different times of the year, I am a time share owner at Tropical Park and know the ex pats in the villiage, I won't name them here, I am trying to look at things not from a " great life" point of view sitting in the sun all day as I know very well that living there it would not always be like this, and that it would be very different from being on holiday.I have read up about registering for doctors etc and know that you have to pay into the system for 10 months or so before you are covered, I am at this time unsure about what insurance I would need to assist in these first 10 months or so for if my kids were unwell ( not that I want anything to happen to them, but I do realise that I need to think and cover every eventuality. I just don't want to have any financial surprises that I am not prepared for.
My Ex has agreed that it would be a better life for my kids and again thats what he is saying just now and agrees that if I move i will have his support but things can change and this is what I am trying to find out about, I don't want to be accused of fleeing the country or kidnapping my kids. I have to cover myself for this, this is why I contacted my lawyer today but it kind threw me when she started mentioning about the immigration system, as I didn't think this had anything to do with that.
therefore is anyone has anything else positive to say regarding this will gladly take there advice. I do realise that this is not an easy decision to uproot and start afresh but I am a strong person and am sure I could make it work if I am given the correct advise and guidance via this forum.

[sunny]

[loopyleanne_]

do you have any family law specailists in your area you could talk to about moving abroad or even get a new contract drawn up with your ex??
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[jenny]

I also think that the contract should be dealt with by a UK lawyer before you leave. If yours couldn't help then perhaps you shgould try another one. Although I really am not sure how these things work so check it out.

Regarding the health system here: as soon as you start working with a contract you will be insured but you need to register (or get the company you work for) to register you at the Social Security and then get yourself and the kids registered at the Doctors.

As long as you get an EHIC (the new card version of an E111) then you will be covered until you start working, although some people prefer to takle out private insurance.

There is a new benefit given to mothers (who have paid into the system for a certain amount of time) of new born children (a limp sum which has already been discussed on here), then there is a benefit of 100€ / month for working mothers towards the Nursery fees (up until the child's 3rd (I think) birthday). Also you get maternity benefit for the first 4 months. Other than that I don't know of any.

You haven't mentioned when you are planning to move, or have you not yet set a date? It is much more complicated when you have children as it's them who suffer more if things go wrong. It sounds as if you are trying to look into everything though so keep it up. You will get here if you really want to (which by the sounds of it you do).
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[Dianne]

Thanks Jenny, Yes I am wanting to move out but need to find out a few things before I can decide, I'v a house to sell up over here as well and I would be giving up everything I have worked here for the past 20years therefore I know it is a very big a life changing decision I am making. Its not just my life but my kids as well. This is why I'v spent a lot of time on this forum and chatting to people to find out different things as I said before I don't want to sell up move over then discover something I wasn't aware of. As I am divorced after 15 years of marriage, I receive maintenence from my kids father, Ovewr here in the UK you also receive what they term family allowance or child benifit this is paid to EVERYONE regardless of earnings or status, its not a fortune but all I was asking earlier was when anyone moves to tenerife is there an equivilent, I await word back from our uk tax office to find out if as I am a british citizen I still get this paid regardless of what country I live in, I mean you get your Uk state pensions paid regardless of where you stay therefore I didn't think this was and unusual question to ask.
Anyway I'll keep plodding along and tring to continue with my homework before making that final decision.

[strippersrus]

My understanding of this is that the state pension is paid due to the fact that people have paid into it for the time required.

Child benefit is paid to resident of the UK for their children. When you move abraod you must notify them of this move. They then stop payments of state benefit as you no long reside in the UK.

BUT ...I have just found this.

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/international/sa29/benefits_12.asp

I have also checked and although spain is part of the EEA, the Canaries are also included in SPAIN.

So you may be able to receive child benefit living here.

How old are you children??? Just me being nosey lol...
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