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| bardofely wrote: | Me: "Las Americas, por favor."
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To be honest Bard I'm surprised that you should find that out of the ordinary. The majority of native Canarians do not sound the 's'. It's just like an accent in the UK. I am lead to believe that the Catalans do not pronounce the 's' either.
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| Tenerife Seagull wrote: | | bardofely wrote: | Me: "Las Americas, por favor."
Bus Driver: "La America?"
Me: "Sí, la America." |
To be honest Bard I'm surprised that you should find that out of the ordinary. The majority of native Canarians do not sound the 's'. It's just like an accent in the UK. I am lead to believe that the Catalans do not pronounce the 's' either. |
I hear more of this dropping the S in the north. I can't claim to know whether people are "native Canarians" or not. I think the problem gets reversed by Canarians who learn to add the S because of hearing Brits that use it, especially if they work in some public service such as bus drivers or talk to a lot of English speakers.
The "os" or "o" ending still confuses me - having learned to say San Marco because that is what I keep hearing here I heard a bus driver clearly announce at the station the other day "Playa San Marcos"!
I find that speakers who don't sound the S will sometimes indicate they don't understand what you've said if you use it and so you have to repeat without it! But knowing whether they are an S-sounder or not is impossible to know!
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| bardofely wrote: | | I hear more of this dropping the S in the north. I can't claim to know whether people are "native Canarians" or not. I think the problem gets reversed by Canarians who learn to add the S because of hearing Brits that use it, especially if they work in some public service such as bus drivers or talk to a lot of English speakers. |
I believe that you are more likely to find more native Canarians in the north of the island. Mainland Spanish generally move to Tenerife to find work, so they are more likely to move to the south (or perhaps Santa Cruz). Canarians who add the S are just showing their intelligence and understanding that foreigners and mainland Spanish may not understand them so are pronouncing it (dare I say) correctly!
| bardofely wrote: | | The "os" or "o" ending still confuses me - having learned to say San Marco because that is what I keep hearing here I heard a bus driver clearly announce at the station the other day "Playa San Marcos"! |
He must have been from mainland Spain!
| bardofely wrote: | | I find that speakers who don't sound the S will sometimes indicate they don't understand what you've said if you use it and so you have to repeat without it! But knowing whether they are an S-sounder or not is impossible to know! |
IMHO if someone indicates that they don't understand you because you pronounce a word with the s then they are either very stupid or being ignorant. Even in the remote hills of Galicia (like in Wales) where many of the old people can only speak Gallego (or Welsh), they DO understand others speaking Castellano (or English) even if they choose not to.
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| jenny wrote: | | bardofely wrote: | | I hear more of this dropping the S in the north. I can't claim to know whether people are "native Canarians" or not. I think the problem gets reversed by Canarians who learn to add the S because of hearing Brits that use it, especially if they work in some public service such as bus drivers or talk to a lot of English speakers. |
I believe that you are more likely to find more native Canarians in the north of the island. Mainland Spanish generally move to Tenerife to find work, so they are more likely to move to the south (or perhaps Santa Cruz). Canarians who add the S are just showing their intelligence and understanding that foreigners and mainland Spanish may not understand them so are pronouncing it (dare I say) correctly!
| bardofely wrote: | | The "os" or "o" ending still confuses me - having learned to say San Marco because that is what I keep hearing here I heard a bus driver clearly announce at the station the other day "Playa San Marcos"! |
He must have been from mainland Spain!
| bardofely wrote: | | I find that speakers who don't sound the S will sometimes indicate they don't understand what you've said if you use it and so you have to repeat without it! But knowing whether they are an S-sounder or not is impossible to know! |
IMHO if someone indicates that they don't understand you because you pronounce a word with the s then they are either very stupid or being ignorant. Even in the remote hills of Galicia (like in Wales) where many of the old people can only speak Gallego (or Welsh), they DO understand others speaking Castellano (or English) even if they choose not to. |
It was a she! We have several female busdrivers on routes from Icod.
What I meant, was they repeat the word minus the S as in my example. This means to me that they have some difficulty in understanding the word with the S so to save the palaver of Americas - America? Realejos - Realejo? San Marcos - San Marco? etc it seems easier to drop the S to start with and chuck out the Las or the Los while you are at it!
Which leads me to ask - if Canarians drop the S and omit the las and the los as I have heard them do how does one know if they are referring to a singular or plural item? Or are there unwritten rules when the plural must be defined and the S used?
BTW I often hear Playa San Marcos not just minus the S but minus the name of the village too and it just gets called Playa!
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Valle San Lorenzo is also just called Valle or El Valle. There are no other Valle's in the area so people know what they mean.
Many people will repeat a word, especially if a foreigner says it, so as to confirm what they are saying.
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It happens in all languages Bard.... how many brits do you hear referring to Playa de las Americas as 'Las Americas' ? Or Puerto de la Cruz as 'Puerto' ?
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| rob wrote: | | It happens in all languages Bard.... how many brits do you hear referring to Playa de las Americas as 'Las Americas' ? Or Puerto de la Cruz as 'Puerto' ? |
Very true, Rob, and I have also heard, in the same way as Playa San Marcos gets called "Playa", this being used on buses to Las Americas by Canarians when it was the only Playa on the route like Jenny's example of "Valle" for Valle San Lorenzo.
The general rule is to shorten the full name!
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The same goes for English: the village I grew up in was called Montgomery but people always called it Monty; Welshpool was called Pool; Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch is known as Llanfairpwll.
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